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for instance, when obama is talking during the debate i'll interrupt him and say that's what she said? ha, ha, ha. gets them every time. last week, my campaign leaked a memo telling everyone to lower expectations for my performance in these debates. as we all know barack obama is an extremely gifted speaker. you might even say he's a master debater. that's what she said? you got zing. you got zing. >> i don't know, man. fallen is giving zadakas a run for his moment on this romney impression. >>> here's the latest. >> mr. president, china is demanding that the u.s. pay back its debt in full immediately. failure to do so will bring on financial apocalypse. you need to look into that camera and convince the people of china we are good to pay back that debt. >> why you got to play me like that, china? when you loan that money to my predecessors, did you really think you were going to get it back? >> china's not budging but we have just had the results back from your latest presidential physical and it tornadoes out you have telepathic powers. look into that camera and convince the chinese
for instance, when obama is talking during the debate i'll interrupt him and say that's what she said? ha, ha, ha. gets them every time. last week, my campaign leaked a memo telling everyone to lower expectations for my performance in these debates. as we all know barack obama is an extremely gifted speaker. you might even say he's a master debater. that's what she said? you got zing. you got zing. >> i don't know, man. fallen is giving zadakas a run for his moment on this romney...
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post debate polls believe mitt romney did better than president obama. a cnn orc poll shows 67% of registered voters chose mr. romney as the winner. 25% picked mr. obama. uncommitted voters 46% identified romney as the winner, 22% barack obama. they brought up countless statistics and figures of cuts and increases. andrea mitchell looked into the truth. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. my plan is not to add to the deficit. >> romney proposed making the bush tax cuts permanent for all levels. he would repeal the alternative minimum tax and the estate tax. the snon-partisan tax said it would cost $4.8 trillion over ten years. romney said his plan would be paid for. to pay for the cuts, he would have to close loopholes in the tax codes and get red of deductions and credits. he hasn't said which he'd get rid of, saying he would work with congress. president obama said his plan would cut the deficit by $4 trillion. >> we all know we have to do more. so, i put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. it's o
post debate polls believe mitt romney did better than president obama. a cnn orc poll shows 67% of registered voters chose mr. romney as the winner. 25% picked mr. obama. uncommitted voters 46% identified romney as the winner, 22% barack obama. they brought up countless statistics and figures of cuts and increases. andrea mitchell looked into the truth. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. my plan is not to add to the deficit. >> romney proposed...
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the disparity led to a perception that president obama lost the debate. if you look at the commentary, not from the right, but people who love barack obama, almost every one of them, every pundit was saying that he lost. some saying he lost decisively. some saying he lost so badly, it could cost him the election. to me, it's hyperbolic. it speaks to the fact mitt romney changed the narrative of the campaign. >> what does it mean, jim, for mitt romney. if we accept he won the night last night, how does he make it about more than one night and a turning point in the campaign? >> i can't emphasize how big last night was for mitt romney. you have to view it from the mitt romney that came into the debate. conservatives were down on him. his staff were down on him. donors were reluctant to give money to him. most thought he had no opportunity to win the race. he comes out of the debate as somebody who reassured conservatives. his biggest critics are applauding him. the donors are excited again. republicans will gather around him. he has a week or two of positiv
the disparity led to a perception that president obama lost the debate. if you look at the commentary, not from the right, but people who love barack obama, almost every one of them, every pundit was saying that he lost. some saying he lost decisively. some saying he lost so badly, it could cost him the election. to me, it's hyperbolic. it speaks to the fact mitt romney changed the narrative of the campaign. >> what does it mean, jim, for mitt romney. if we accept he won the night last...
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president obama and mitt romney squared off for the first of three presidential debates last night. in what some are calling a polite war of words, the candidates sparred over job creation, taxes and the future of health care. nbc's tracie potts is in denver for us. she has a preview. good morning to you, tracie. >> reporter: lynn, good morning. the pressure was on for romney to perform, to back up his ideas with details, taking on the man that even republicans called one of the most skilled debaters in modern politics. the point of this debate was to make differences clear on lowering the debt. >> you said you'd cut the deficit in half. it's four years later, we still have trillion-dollar deficit. >> the way we do is for additional cut, we ask for a dollar of additional revenue, paid for, as i indicated earlier, by asking those of us who have done very well in this country to contribute a little bit more to reduce the deficit. >> reporter: the president insisted romney would spend $5 trillion on tax breaks favoring the wealthy. >> math, common sense and our history shows us that's
president obama and mitt romney squared off for the first of three presidential debates last night. in what some are calling a polite war of words, the candidates sparred over job creation, taxes and the future of health care. nbc's tracie potts is in denver for us. she has a preview. good morning to you, tracie. >> reporter: lynn, good morning. the pressure was on for romney to perform, to back up his ideas with details, taking on the man that even republicans called one of the most...
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president obama came into the debate ahead in every battleground state. with an estimated 60 million americans watching on tv, cable and the web, moderator jim leherer asked can you put more people to work? >> the answer is, yes, we can help. >> reporter: romney would cut taxes and regulations on small business. >> my priority is jobs, and so what i do is i bring down the tax rates. >> governor romney's proposal that he's been promoting for 18 months calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> reporter: which the president claimed would help the rich at others' expense. >> the average middle class family with young children would pay $2,000 more. >> everything he said about my tax plan is not accurate. >> it is not possible to come up with enough tax cuts to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it's math. it's arithmetic. >> reporter: on medicare and social security one agreement. >> neither the president nor i are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees. >> reporter: in ten years romney wants a private medicare
president obama came into the debate ahead in every battleground state. with an estimated 60 million americans watching on tv, cable and the web, moderator jim leherer asked can you put more people to work? >> the answer is, yes, we can help. >> reporter: romney would cut taxes and regulations on small business. >> my priority is jobs, and so what i do is i bring down the tax rates. >> governor romney's proposal that he's been promoting for 18 months calls for a $5...
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there are two more debates to go. >> governor of rally is working as a surrogate for the obama team, talking to reporters after the debate. back here at home, several college campuses have to debate what parties. -- watch parties. sheldon joins us live from johns hopkins university. >> we are about a month away from the election. a lot of voters we talked to seem to be passionate about both candidates. you'll remember from the 2008 election that college-aged voters were energized and excited headed into the election. based on the conversation we have had here, the same seems to be happening this year. >> the dining hall, it is never this fall. i think everyone is really excited for the election and the debate progressed more than seven it lasted as piled into the dining hall in the johns hopkins campus to watch governor romney and president obama. >> what is the mood on campus heading into the election? >> it is are more excited than usual about politics. a lot of times, political awareness is not evident right now, people are very excited about obama and ronnie going head-to-head. >
there are two more debates to go. >> governor of rally is working as a surrogate for the obama team, talking to reporters after the debate. back here at home, several college campuses have to debate what parties. -- watch parties. sheldon joins us live from johns hopkins university. >> we are about a month away from the election. a lot of voters we talked to seem to be passionate about both candidates. you'll remember from the 2008 election that college-aged voters were energized...
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. >> in this week's debate president obama has a great deal to lose. romney's is the most difficult position. obama's is the most dangerous. does the president here, karen, have more to lose than mitt romney? i mean, obviously the polls show that he's ahead. >> i think we're so focused on comparing it to each other. i think we need to be focused on is what kind of performance does each man need to have? i do think that the fact that -- remember, president obama was not good at debates during the last cycle. he got better throughout the course of the debates. so did mitt romney. seeing what performances are like, i think the stakes are very high for both men. that's not his problem. his problem is that he is able to have one good day, not two good days. he needs to have a solid wednesday and be solid thursday, friday. otherwise it looks like another fluke. you prepared for one performance but your campaign is in disarray. you don't have answers to questions. you can't give details to policies. but you're making big promises. that's not going to work for
. >> in this week's debate president obama has a great deal to lose. romney's is the most difficult position. obama's is the most dangerous. does the president here, karen, have more to lose than mitt romney? i mean, obviously the polls show that he's ahead. >> i think we're so focused on comparing it to each other. i think we need to be focused on is what kind of performance does each man need to have? i do think that the fact that -- remember, president obama was not good at...
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this is much bigger than the mccain-obama debate. >> today mitt romney traveled from boston to colorado where the debate will be held as a major player in romney's fund raiser confirmed to fox business that a few new york donors have backed away from financial commitments to the romney campaign and instead said they will spend their money to help the republicans hold on to the house of represents and pick up seats in the senate. the debates will be very important, said one person with knowledge of the matter. if romney does well, that money could come back. >>> new jersey's governor, chris christie the current front runner for the presidential nomination 2016 has decided his job is to state the obvious. >> it's a huge night. we've had a bad couple of weeks and we want to turn this around and if you want to turn it around you've got to perform on the stage. they try to say the president is not that good a debater or mitt romney is a little scared of the president. those are the professional consultants and politicians who get paid to spin you guys. that's not what my job is. it's a big n
this is much bigger than the mccain-obama debate. >> today mitt romney traveled from boston to colorado where the debate will be held as a major player in romney's fund raiser confirmed to fox business that a few new york donors have backed away from financial commitments to the romney campaign and instead said they will spend their money to help the republicans hold on to the house of represents and pick up seats in the senate. the debates will be very important, said one person with...
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picked romney by a 51- 45% margin over obama. today's numbers will be especially scrutinized because after this there is just one more jobs report expected before the november election. in washington, i am emily schmidt. >> the job report the numbers are due out by 8:30 this morning. >> claims are up about 367,000 americans filed for first time unemployment benefits last week. that's 4,000 more than the week before. those numbers are important because they serve as an indicator to how healthy the job market is overall. >>> in news around the nation this morning, drivers in california are getting a shock when they fill up at the pump. gas price we up more than 8 cents from wednesday to thursday. some customers paid more than $5.50 a gallon for regular unleaded they blame refinery outages for the spike and according to aaa, the national average for a gallon of regular gas is 3.78. gas prices in southern california are about 57 cents higher than the national average. >>> a couple in utah say they let five people in their homes belie
picked romney by a 51- 45% margin over obama. today's numbers will be especially scrutinized because after this there is just one more jobs report expected before the november election. in washington, i am emily schmidt. >> the job report the numbers are due out by 8:30 this morning. >> claims are up about 367,000 americans filed for first time unemployment benefits last week. that's 4,000 more than the week before. those numbers are important because they serve as an indicator to...
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romney is out with a new podcast this afternoon, in which he attacks president obama over his debate performance. >> president obama could not defend his record. he offered no new ideas for how to fix the economy. i welcome the chance to share my vision for renewed prosperity and opportunity and i think it compared quite favorably to president obama's policy for big, trickle-down government. >> this past hour, mitt romney's son, josh, met with reporters in the swing state of virginia. it's part of a day-long effort the campaign is calling super saturday, with volunteers going door to door in battleground states. president obama has no public events today. he will head to california tomorrow, where he is expected to tout the new jobs number, 7.8%, and some big fund-raising numbers out today. president obama and the democrats raised $181 million in september, the highest single-month total so far. more on all these stories throughout the next two hours. >>> the campaign focus shifts a bit next week to the vice presidential nominees. paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only d
romney is out with a new podcast this afternoon, in which he attacks president obama over his debate performance. >> president obama could not defend his record. he offered no new ideas for how to fix the economy. i welcome the chance to share my vision for renewed prosperity and opportunity and i think it compared quite favorably to president obama's policy for big, trickle-down government. >> this past hour, mitt romney's son, josh, met with reporters in the swing state of...
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at the first presidential debate president obama and mitt romney hit each other on the economy, health care and role of government in american's lives. >> the federal government has the capacity to help open up opportunity and create ladders of opportunity and create frame works where the american people can succeed. >> what we're seeing right now in my view a trickle down government approach which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams and it's not working. >> border violence, tensions ratchet up in the middle east as turkey and syria exchange fire in deadly clashes along their shared border. >> season for the ages. miguel cabrera, baseball's first triple crown winner in 45 years. this is the "cbs morning news" for thursday, october 4, good morning. good to be with you. i'm terrell brown. today both president obama and mitt romney return to the campaign trail following last night's debate in denver. as expected the economy dominated their first one on one showdown. romney came out swinging as the candidates argued tax policy, budget defic
at the first presidential debate president obama and mitt romney hit each other on the economy, health care and role of government in american's lives. >> the federal government has the capacity to help open up opportunity and create ladders of opportunity and create frame works where the american people can succeed. >> what we're seeing right now in my view a trickle down government approach which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams...
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president obama spent the day near las vegas. where his rehearsals was john kennedy and caught about joking them. >> they are making me do my home withwork. >> romney seemed to down play his reports that prepped him with sinkers. >> it's not so much winning or losing, it's about something bigger than that. it will be a conversation with the american people that will span almost an entire month. >> and romney has softened his position on immigration. he will honor the president's recent stop gap measure, stay in the country until immigration reform is passed. tomorrow's debate will focus on domestic issues. the second half will address healthcare and other national concerns. of coverage begins at 5:00. and scott pelley will have full debate coverage starting at 6:00. elizabeth cook, cbs 5. >>> what more could california have asked? >> parks were broke, so regular citizens stepped up and digged into the product. >> but the state didn't really need their money. why those of you will not p getting a refind. >> los angeles is cool wit
president obama spent the day near las vegas. where his rehearsals was john kennedy and caught about joking them. >> they are making me do my home withwork. >> romney seemed to down play his reports that prepped him with sinkers. >> it's not so much winning or losing, it's about something bigger than that. it will be a conversation with the american people that will span almost an entire month. >> and romney has softened his position on immigration. he will honor the...
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the group watched the first head-to-head debate between president barack obama and his republican challenger mitt romney. the two battled on domestic issues. many say this is the more important of the three debates, because it gives people it gives him to ship. >> i thought he was very strong. we're all nervous about it. we think it's very important. i think he did well. >> romney had great opening. warm, personal, gave the five point plan. i thought it was good. i thought he had a great sound bite. >> terrific. >> the contra costa republican headquarters will hold three more watch parties. and the two remaining for the president of the united states. that's how things were in the republican side. let's go to the colleague, robert honda live with the democrats watching the debate in san jose. >> there's an upbeat mood here in the democratic headquarters in downtown sap jose. -- san jose. democrats crowded with the watch party, with items. and many said the perceived winner is the one best expressing the concerns on the middle crash with the best vision of moving the economy forward, especial
the group watched the first head-to-head debate between president barack obama and his republican challenger mitt romney. the two battled on domestic issues. many say this is the more important of the three debates, because it gives people it gives him to ship. >> i thought he was very strong. we're all nervous about it. we think it's very important. i think he did well. >> romney had great opening. warm, personal, gave the five point plan. i thought it was good. i thought he had a...
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>> president obama during the debate said he is the one who is going to raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts expire. >> but we just played two things back to back that do not match. >> look, he said all look, 20% across the board. i think there were two different things he was speaking about there. he has a very pro-growth policy. he has a policy to create 12 million jobs. >> so are you saying he misspoke in one of those? >> i'm not going to get into whether he misspoke or not -- what i know is he has said all along, 20% across the board for everybody, and that means everybody. to what specifically he was speaking there, i'm not exactly sure. but it's a clear choice what you have. we don't need to get caught up on the back and forth. he is going to put forward pro-growth jobs. and 7.8% is an anemic recovery. that is nothing to celebrate. i remember when president bush was criticized by president obama when i worked for him -- >> but for the past four years, republican have said saying over and over and over, he promised 8%. and it's 7.8 now. >> the reason it's below 7.8% is because
>> president obama during the debate said he is the one who is going to raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts expire. >> but we just played two things back to back that do not match. >> look, he said all look, 20% across the board. i think there were two different things he was speaking about there. he has a very pro-growth policy. he has a policy to create 12 million jobs. >> so are you saying he misspoke in one of those? >> i'm not going to get into whether he...
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if kerry is filling in for romney against this debate, you know, against obama in debate prep, is he preparing him for more than just substance? is he also preparing him for these stylistic what-ifs? these moments where obama could be pulled in one direction or the other and trying to sort of hedge against that? >> well, i think the biggest disadvantage obama has right now is practice. mitt romney's had a lot of debates. he went through a long primary practice where he got beat up a lot and got to beat up other people. barack obama had no primary process and has not been in a debate since his debates in the last election. so i think he's got -- he's not in fighting shape is my guess and all these practices he's doing, are to get him in the fighting shape. hopefully they have enough time to do it and hopefully he has a sparring opponent in john kerry who is not pulling any punches, not being as respectful to him as his staff might be and showing him that mitt romney is going to get on the stage knowing this is probably his last chance and he's going to be very aggressive in taking on
if kerry is filling in for romney against this debate, you know, against obama in debate prep, is he preparing him for more than just substance? is he also preparing him for these stylistic what-ifs? these moments where obama could be pulled in one direction or the other and trying to sort of hedge against that? >> well, i think the biggest disadvantage obama has right now is practice. mitt romney's had a lot of debates. he went through a long primary practice where he got beat up a lot...
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. >> president obama and mitt romney duke it out over the economy in the first debate of three. good evening. i'm dan ashley. >> and i'm carolyn johnson. a particularly strong showing from mitt romney tonight on key topics ranging from the economy to health care. >> abc7 news political reporter mark matthews is here with a look at this first big match up. >> no knockout punches tonight, nothing we will see over and over again on television, but mitt romney did what he needed to do. mitt romney ran to the middle saying lowering the tax rates for wealthy americans would not lower the amount of taxes they pay. >> my view is we should provide tax relief to those in the middle class. but i am not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people. >> romney said he would close tax loopholes and limit the de tucks -- deductions to the risk. >> it is knot possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high income individuals to either avoid raising the deficit or burdennenning the middle class. it is math. it is arithmetic. >> on health care -- >>
. >> president obama and mitt romney duke it out over the economy in the first debate of three. good evening. i'm dan ashley. >> and i'm carolyn johnson. a particularly strong showing from mitt romney tonight on key topics ranging from the economy to health care. >> abc7 news political reporter mark matthews is here with a look at this first big match up. >> no knockout punches tonight, nothing we will see over and over again on television, but mitt romney did what he...
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in the mock debates, senator rob portman is playing barack obama. >> i don't like him very much anymore. >> reporter: as for president obama, he took a break from practice yesterday to visit a campaign office and make a few calls to unsuspecting voters. >> andrea? hi. this is barack obama. how are you? that's right. >> reporter: it was just a brief break for the president, who, like romney, has been rehearsing for days. senator john kerry is playing romney in president obama's practice sessions. the president is out of practice. the last time he debated was four years ago. and, rob and paula, according to the latest abc news/"washington post" poll, 56% of americans expect president obama to win the debates. mitt romney told voters yesterday, the debates are about more than who comes out on top. they are a chance for a month-long conversation with the american people. >> managing expectations, as always. tahman bradley, live in washington for us. thanks, tahman. >>> and abc news coverage of the debate begins tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern, 6:00 pacific. keep right here on abc. >>> and th
in the mock debates, senator rob portman is playing barack obama. >> i don't like him very much anymore. >> reporter: as for president obama, he took a break from practice yesterday to visit a campaign office and make a few calls to unsuspecting voters. >> andrea? hi. this is barack obama. how are you? that's right. >> reporter: it was just a brief break for the president, who, like romney, has been rehearsing for days. senator john kerry is playing romney in president...
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president obama and mitt romney debate two more times this month. they will answer questions in a town hall style debate october 16th and debate foreign affairs on october 22nd. overseas now an escalating violence between turkey and syria. overnight turkey launched artillery strikes into syria. several syrian soldiers have been killed. artillery attacks were retaliation for mortar fire that landed in a turkish border down killing civilians. nato held an emergency meeting to asking syria to end the violations of international law. >> reporter: turkey took action against syria after a deadly shelling from the syrian side hit a turkish border town. among the dead a 6-year-old boy. several people were also injured including a police officer. turkey says it retaliated in points in syria detected with radar. the united states is in contact with turkish officials. >> it's a very dangerous situation. all responsible nations need to band together to persuade the assad regime to have a cease-fire. >> reporter: parts of the syrian city of lipo laid in rubles.
president obama and mitt romney debate two more times this month. they will answer questions in a town hall style debate october 16th and debate foreign affairs on october 22nd. overseas now an escalating violence between turkey and syria. overnight turkey launched artillery strikes into syria. several syrian soldiers have been killed. artillery attacks were retaliation for mortar fire that landed in a turkish border down killing civilians. nato held an emergency meeting to asking syria to end...
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president obama looking down during the debate. i have a memory of 2008 where we remember the first debate with obama and john mccain, where mccain did not make eye contact for much of the debate with obama. looking down. surprised by romney's strength and not engaged. >> he was intense. he leaned in. it was like he had a lot of coffee before the debate. and he was just going after the president. my question for you, joe, is why can't he transfer this to the campaign trail sf. >> that's what everybody said last night. i think he was comfortable talking about facts. talking about information. i don't think -- >> he wasn't explaining a lot of stuff. >> just hanging out with the kids. >> we're talking about speeches and rallies, things people want to hear. i bet the americans watching last night are the same people going to the rallies. they want to hear more. >> and that's a challenge for mitt romney. you heard that after everybody got over the shock of how great mitt romney and did and how poorly the president did. now can he conver
president obama looking down during the debate. i have a memory of 2008 where we remember the first debate with obama and john mccain, where mccain did not make eye contact for much of the debate with obama. looking down. surprised by romney's strength and not engaged. >> he was intense. he leaned in. it was like he had a lot of coffee before the debate. and he was just going after the president. my question for you, joe, is why can't he transfer this to the campaign trail sf. >>...
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two debates between president obama and mitt romney. >> in terms of thursday's debate, did the president's performance at all during that make the vp debate more vitticcal? critical? >> increased pressure on joe biden. for democrats to get in a very good performance and you ent up looking, paul rye sn a very well-spoken person, although this is going to be his first debate on a stage like this. joe biden has done this many times before. he actually might have a little advantage. as we all know sometimes joe biden is saying things that actually draw attention. so i do think that this is going to be a must-see debate for the country, and, of course, the obama campaign is hoping for a little better performance. >> very gracious way to talk about things that the vice president said in the past. mark murray, thank you very much. >> thanks, alex. >>> in this week's office politic, christy todd whitman, first to defeat an uncome bent governor in an election. today new jersey's only female governor. talks chris christie and her role about bringing a very famous dog to the white house. first we tal
two debates between president obama and mitt romney. >> in terms of thursday's debate, did the president's performance at all during that make the vp debate more vitticcal? critical? >> increased pressure on joe biden. for democrats to get in a very good performance and you ent up looking, paul rye sn a very well-spoken person, although this is going to be his first debate on a stage like this. joe biden has done this many times before. he actually might have a little advantage. as...
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preparations. >> mitt romney is a good debater. i am just okay. >> reporter: mitt romney's team is trying to manage expectations. >> president obama is a very gifted speaker. >> reporter: only chris christie didn't get the memo, promising mitt romney's performance will be a game changer. >> wednesday night, you will see the numbers move right back in the other direction. >> reporter: mitt romney has to come across as likable and lay out a contrast with the president. president obama is trying to make sure he is not long winded and preachy and one politician says he should not hope for great drama. >> i can't remember the last time there was one of these comments that grabbed everybody's attention, they are too well prepared. >> reporter: the obama campaign got an odd endorsement, venezuela's presidents said if he were an american he would vote for president obama. catherine heenan, kron 4 news. >> kron 4 will air the debate unrapted on our -- uninterrupted on wednesday night 6:00 p.m. and you can tune in to comcast channel 193 or o
preparations. >> mitt romney is a good debater. i am just okay. >> reporter: mitt romney's team is trying to manage expectations. >> president obama is a very gifted speaker. >> reporter: only chris christie didn't get the memo, promising mitt romney's performance will be a game changer. >> wednesday night, you will see the numbers move right back in the other direction. >> reporter: mitt romney has to come across as likable and lay out a contrast with the...
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it's the first head-to-head debate between president obama and his republican challenger mitt romney. many people agree there are major differences between the two, who will battle it out for about 90 minutes on domestic issues, which is exactly what some people we spoke with say they want to hear. >> they're professionals. they're good at it. the information they have on hand and who do they speak to. you're singing to the choir on one hand, then going for the independents on the other. >> there's some specific plans i want to hear that people have, exactly how they plan to implement their change. >> but it still doesn't matter because you made up your mind, though? >> that's right. >> reporter: here at the republican headquarters, volunteers are preparing for a weekend of campaigning. >> this is a crucial election. we are very invested in it. we're very involved. we're very hopeful that mitt romney is going to knock it out of the park. >> reporter: the chairman of the state republican party just showed up. he'll be upstairs watching the party with the other people. of course you can
it's the first head-to-head debate between president obama and his republican challenger mitt romney. many people agree there are major differences between the two, who will battle it out for about 90 minutes on domestic issues, which is exactly what some people we spoke with say they want to hear. >> they're professionals. they're good at it. the information they have on hand and who do they speak to. you're singing to the choir on one hand, then going for the independents on the other....
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>> president obama and mitt romney duke it out over the economy in the first debate of three. good evening. i'm dan ashley. >> and i'm carolyn johnson. a particularly strong showing from mitt romney tonight on key topics ranging from the economy to health care. >> abc7 news political reporter mark matthews is here with a look at this first big match up. >> no knockout punches tonight, nothing we will see over and over again on television, but mitt romney did what he needed to do. mitt romney ran to the middle saying lowering the tax rates for wealthy americans would not lower the amount of taxes they pay. >> my view is we should provide tax relief to those in the middle class. but i am not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people. >> romney said he would close tax loopholes and limit the de tucks -- deductions to the risk. >> it is knot possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high income individuals to either avoid raising the deficit or burdennenning the middle class. it is math. it is arithmetic. >> on health care -- >>
>> president obama and mitt romney duke it out over the economy in the first debate of three. good evening. i'm dan ashley. >> and i'm carolyn johnson. a particularly strong showing from mitt romney tonight on key topics ranging from the economy to health care. >> abc7 news political reporter mark matthews is here with a look at this first big match up. >> no knockout punches tonight, nothing we will see over and over again on television, but mitt romney did what he...
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a couple of days before the debate, embracing he was the godfather of obama care. the larger issue is, with mitt romney coming out and saying, i was wrong, does that help him reset his campaign? >> no. >> you say -- >> i say no because he's looking more and more like a shape shifter, which is precisely the stereotype that people have somehow in their minds held about him, including people on the right. you don't know who the real mitt romney is. by doing this it's like he's inflicting 1,000 cuts on himself. this constant movement and bobs and weaving doesn't help him recover when it comes to likability and trustability. >> anne let met get you in. in virginia governor romney was with congressman ryan there. they had the fireworks, and it actually reminlded me of when the republicans would criticize the democrats for having those pillars remember at the last democratic national convention. quite a beautiful sight, but even chuck todd and our first read team noted that image alone could look like you still have a few more debates to go. >> well, i think that's right.
a couple of days before the debate, embracing he was the godfather of obama care. the larger issue is, with mitt romney coming out and saying, i was wrong, does that help him reset his campaign? >> no. >> you say -- >> i say no because he's looking more and more like a shape shifter, which is precisely the stereotype that people have somehow in their minds held about him, including people on the right. you don't know who the real mitt romney is. by doing this it's like he's...
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>> that was chris matthews after the debate last night asking where was obama? for many the president seemed disengaged during that debate. the debate with charlie chris the republican governor of florida after leaving the party in the race for the u.s. senate. now he's supporting president obama. great to have you here with us today, sir. i want you to take a listen to what former congressman davis said to chris jansing last hour. take a look. >> isn't it telling last night that president obama himself did not bring up bain capital. isn't it telling that president obama himself did not accuse governor romney of causing women to die from cancer because of things that happened at companies he ran? isn't it telling that president obama didn't make much of this 47% gaffe a week ago. >> sir, why didn't the president bring up any of those things? were you watching this wondering that yourself? >> of course. i was watching it and some of the comments that i hear today make me think people were looking for entertainment instead of substance and facts. i was looking for
>> that was chris matthews after the debate last night asking where was obama? for many the president seemed disengaged during that debate. the debate with charlie chris the republican governor of florida after leaving the party in the race for the u.s. senate. now he's supporting president obama. great to have you here with us today, sir. i want you to take a listen to what former congressman davis said to chris jansing last hour. take a look. >> isn't it telling last night that...
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the stage is set for the first debate between president obama and mitt romney. we'll have a preview. >>> coming up first, traffic comes to a halt onese bay highway. the late night crash forcing the chp to shutdown lanes. >> reporter: couple of berkeley police officers being called heroes this morning. i'll tell you why, coming up, next. >>> here's a look at high temperatures today, after three days of record breaking heat it is going to subside today, clouds will increase so will the sea breeze along the coast, 60s and 70s, will fall into the 60s during the afternoon. 70s and 80s bay. 80s and 90s inland. getting warmer to the east, 70s and 80s eastern seaboard 60s seattle and portland. all airports around new york except for jfk, philadelphia and baltimore now with flight arrival delays. here at home everybody is on time. >>> wednesday morning commute live look at the bay bridge toll as you can see metering lights on, commute lanes and fastrak breezing by. update on a san jose incident that we will get >>> good morning, 6:30 october 3rd. the bay, the sun is abou
the stage is set for the first debate between president obama and mitt romney. we'll have a preview. >>> coming up first, traffic comes to a halt onese bay highway. the late night crash forcing the chp to shutdown lanes. >> reporter: couple of berkeley police officers being called heroes this morning. i'll tell you why, coming up, next. >>> here's a look at high temperatures today, after three days of record breaking heat it is going to subside today, clouds will...
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the stage is set and ready for president obama for the first presidential debate. we will talk more about that. >> john travolta and a live- in newton-john are rick reuniting. behind " the legendary musician " grease " to. will be on a christmas album. it is also being donated to charity. for that christmas album. >> forget about debate tonight. michelle obama and president obama will be celebrating their 20th anniversary today however, they're asking to sign their anniversary card. and they will take a rain check for their date night. still ahead, there have been five murders within 24 hours. oakland police have been working overtime. we will have a live report. and the 80s. it is a big game coming down to the wire card with game 3. they could have the west title. and also, the debate tonight in denver. we will talk more about what we can expect. (male announer) live from the kron 4 news station, this is the kron 4 news. >> with our top stories a violent 24 hours in oakland. five people have been killed. and a new system from the oakland police department. >> the
the stage is set and ready for president obama for the first presidential debate. we will talk more about that. >> john travolta and a live- in newton-john are rick reuniting. behind " the legendary musician " grease " to. will be on a christmas album. it is also being donated to charity. for that christmas album. >> forget about debate tonight. michelle obama and president obama will be celebrating their 20th anniversary today however, they're asking to sign their...
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. >> president obama and mitt romney duke it out over the economy in the first debate of three. good evening. i'm dan ashley. >> and i'm carolyn johnson. a particularly strong showing from mitt romney tonight on key topics ranging from the economy to health care. >> abc7 news political reporter mark matthews is here with a look at this first big match up. >> no knockout punches tonight, nothing we will see over and over again on television, but mitt romney did what he needed to do. mitt romney ran to the middle saying lowering the tax rates for wealthy americans would not lower the amount of taxes they pay. >> my view is we should provide tax relief to those in the middle class. but i am not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people. >> romney said he would close tax loopholes and limit the de tucks -- deductions to the risk. >> it is knot possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high income individuals to either avoid raising the deficit or burdennenning the middle class. it is math. it is arithmetic. >> on health care -- >>
. >> president obama and mitt romney duke it out over the economy in the first debate of three. good evening. i'm dan ashley. >> and i'm carolyn johnson. a particularly strong showing from mitt romney tonight on key topics ranging from the economy to health care. >> abc7 news political reporter mark matthews is here with a look at this first big match up. >> no knockout punches tonight, nothing we will see over and over again on television, but mitt romney did what he...
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here's one from mario, pretty sure obama will knock that debate out of the park. and dan tweeted, one can hope but it will be a drawp. people will hear what they want to hear. most minds were made up months ago. if this year's election were judged on the ability to keep things interesting on the campaign trail joe biden would win hands down. his speeches are not the only part of the equationp. there is the matter of his sex appeal. take a look at this. >> since i've been here a number of times over the last 20 years, i knew it was going to be -- you mind if i take my coat off with your permission? thank you. all right. >> check out the buysep flex -- are we really going to show a bisep flex? we missed it. okay. close your eyes. okay. the vp's allure is the subject of a new piece in politico. politico senior washington, d.c. correspondent jonathan allen wrote it and joins me now. jonathan, we did miss the bicep shot, paul ryan has the px 90 thing going on. we've seen the example of joe biden on the trail, joe biden being very smooth, trying to relate and be charmin
here's one from mario, pretty sure obama will knock that debate out of the park. and dan tweeted, one can hope but it will be a drawp. people will hear what they want to hear. most minds were made up months ago. if this year's election were judged on the ability to keep things interesting on the campaign trail joe biden would win hands down. his speeches are not the only part of the equationp. there is the matter of his sex appeal. take a look at this. >> since i've been here a number of...
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he did not control the debate at all. obama had much more time than romney. i think a couple of times, romney did sort of interrupt, but he had to. obama had been on for five minutes. i timed it myself. the other thing is that people are saying that romney did not lay out his agenda very well. i think he did. he explained what he wanted to do, 1, 2, 3, several times. the lady from florida said that he didn't explain what he was going to
he did not control the debate at all. obama had much more time than romney. i think a couple of times, romney did sort of interrupt, but he had to. obama had been on for five minutes. i timed it myself. the other thing is that people are saying that romney did not lay out his agenda very well. i think he did. he explained what he wanted to do, 1, 2, 3, several times. the lady from florida said that he didn't explain what he was going to
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. >>> president obama and mitt romney are preparing for tomorrow's first presidential debate. crews were putting finishing touches on the stage today. analysts don't expect the debate to exchange many mind there are very few undecided voters and debates are rarely game-changers. the fact that the two are engaging each other directly for the first time should draw the attention of millions of americans. abc news will bring live coverage starting at 6:00 here on abc7. >>> some people for the hot weather, some against. meteorologist mike nicco, nonpartisan. >>> just bringing you the facts, ladies. let's look out and show what is going on if you don't like the heat you won't want to know that it is warmer now than this time yesterday. we'll talk about record heat today and the big cooling trend and when it comes to your neighborhood. >>> plus, the start of a busy week on the bay. the boats and planes arriving today. >>> would you pay $100 to check a bag? we'll tell you now avoid that hefty fee on one airline. >>> there's going to be a lot of action on the bay this week between ame
. >>> president obama and mitt romney are preparing for tomorrow's first presidential debate. crews were putting finishing touches on the stage today. analysts don't expect the debate to exchange many mind there are very few undecided voters and debates are rarely game-changers. the fact that the two are engaging each other directly for the first time should draw the attention of millions of americans. abc news will bring live coverage starting at 6:00 here on abc7. >>> some...
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mitt romney is preparing for the debates and carry play the role of standing for president obama in during the mock debate. i think people should expect romney is going to come in their prepared he is going to do very well because he has done very well in all of the debates. >> i think sometimes we expect major breakthroughs but that doesn't happen very often happen with reagan and mondale with reagan and carter, but frankly i cannot remember the last time there was one of these comments that grabbed everyone's attention the candidates are well prepared and well scripted. >> on sunday president obama headed to las vegas for a campaign event. chris in a much lower for kron 4 news >>. a poll shows president obama has a 4 point lead over canada mitt romney. president obama, 44.6 percent of those voters say they favor wrongly so it is a pretty tight race. fifth frost in tune in on wednesday we will be airing the debate in its entirety or you can check out our comcast channel 193. >> the state's republican party hired a trustee to consultant to hit the streets. a firm is under investigation for
mitt romney is preparing for the debates and carry play the role of standing for president obama in during the mock debate. i think people should expect romney is going to come in their prepared he is going to do very well because he has done very well in all of the debates. >> i think sometimes we expect major breakthroughs but that doesn't happen very often happen with reagan and mondale with reagan and carter, but frankly i cannot remember the last time there was one of these comments...
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. >> the other big story tonight the great debate. president obama and governor romney fight over taxes and the economy. good evening. i'm dan ashley. let's get the latest on this tonight from abc 7 news political reporter mark matthews. it was an interesting exchange. >> it was clear right from the start that mitt mitt romney sae debate as a chance to shake up the race and came out aggressive and prepared and put the president on the defensive for much of the 90 minutes. >> president obama and mitt romney went head to head. the candidates boiled down their economic arguments. >> governor romney has a perspective that says if we cut taxes skewed towards the wealthy and roll back regulations that we will be better off. i have got a different view. >> the president has a view very similar to the view he d when ran four years guy. if you will, trickle down government would work. that is not the right answer for america. >> romney's comments about the 47% have take and toll on his campaign even before the leaked video polls showed that am
. >> the other big story tonight the great debate. president obama and governor romney fight over taxes and the economy. good evening. i'm dan ashley. let's get the latest on this tonight from abc 7 news political reporter mark matthews. it was an interesting exchange. >> it was clear right from the start that mitt mitt romney sae debate as a chance to shake up the race and came out aggressive and prepared and put the president on the defensive for much of the 90 minutes. >>...
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>> the loser is the obama debate prep team. they did an awful job. i think that they told the president to go in there and play defense and act presidential and i think that that worked in his disadvantage. >> okay. susan, how about you? >> governor romney. he did a great job this week at the debate. he's certainly the winner. and in spite of morris' statement, it's the person that actually does the debate, and that's president obama, and he's the loser of the week. >> okay. >> all right, you guys. as i like to say, you're all three winners with me. >> i love susan. i'm on record, i love susan! >> morris, we get along. we're good friends. >> guys, thanks so much. that's a wrap-up of "weekends with alex witt." up next, milissa rehberger continuing our coverage right after the break. i'm alex witt. have a great dpap that make moms happy too. with wholesome noodles and bite sized chicken, nothing brings you together like chicken noodle soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. like chicken noodle soup from campbell's. why they have a raise yo
>> the loser is the obama debate prep team. they did an awful job. i think that they told the president to go in there and play defense and act presidential and i think that that worked in his disadvantage. >> okay. susan, how about you? >> governor romney. he did a great job this week at the debate. he's certainly the winner. and in spite of morris' statement, it's the person that actually does the debate, and that's president obama, and he's the loser of the week. >>...
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or president obama's debate perforrance wednesdayynight.hey says it was the altituue. gore says the president arrived in the mile-high city the day of the only haa a "few hours to adjust" to the city's allitude... which stretches a miie above sea llvel.. the labor department releasss the september jobs report this month away....all eyes will be - &pon the latest report to see just where hiring and unemppoyment rates stand. 3&will tte numbers affect the polls? howwwill the campaigns rt reactrene mmrsh is live in more.good morning , rene.ith 3&11 could today's jjbs report sway the election in eithhr direction? coming up next... we hear from ray leeis... about the start of the ravens enter for a chance to can - interview him.you're watching 3((break 7)) 3&p((can)) the ravens are off to a great staat this season ... and it's no surprise that's ue n part to one man...ray lewis.. ray is backkffr his 17th season .. and many say looking better than everr((boxes)) mvp ....13 time proobowler and future hhll of famer available to talk with us this morning. -you came into this pea
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that brings up the debate. no retorts like that from president obama. what do you make of the fact that we are now -- it's basically a fact now. four of the last five sitting presidents in the first presidential debate watched the challengers clean the clock. >> actually, i think this is good for the country, chuck. the reason i think it's good for the country is it will engage the country. there were big ideas last night. some of them imperfectly articulated and not well defended in some instances. they are talking about the issues on the minds of a lot of american people. and so i think this morning we have a kickstart to the presidential campaign. if it had been romney performing like the president, it would have been over. >> it's interesting. what do you make of this? is it the issue with a sitting president not used to being challenge. it's been a long time. what do you think it is? >> i don't think it counts. this is the most important debate of the campaign. >> et it together. >> get it together. you're the president of the united states. you ha
that brings up the debate. no retorts like that from president obama. what do you make of the fact that we are now -- it's basically a fact now. four of the last five sitting presidents in the first presidential debate watched the challengers clean the clock. >> actually, i think this is good for the country, chuck. the reason i think it's good for the country is it will engage the country. there were big ideas last night. some of them imperfectly articulated and not well defended in some...
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widely panned for a listless debate performance president obama tried to get his groove back a little bit on the campaign trail in denver and in madison, wisconsin yesterday with some on the way homer comebacks if you will, a day late. the president almost had to be prodded to rebut romney's defense on his tax plan wednesday night. yesterday he went right after romney. >> do you challenge what the governor just said about his own plan? >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now five weeks before the election he is saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. when i got on the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy and yet the fellow on the stage last night who looked like mitt romney said he didn't know anything about that. >> and though the president's face did some talking on wednesday night when romney unveiled this line, in fact, watch the president's facial expression in the split screen. i'm su
widely panned for a listless debate performance president obama tried to get his groove back a little bit on the campaign trail in denver and in madison, wisconsin yesterday with some on the way homer comebacks if you will, a day late. the president almost had to be prodded to rebut romney's defense on his tax plan wednesday night. yesterday he went right after romney. >> do you challenge what the governor just said about his own plan? >> well, for 18 months he's been running on...
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the obama people are smart with the bain ads. his only defense sibelieve in free enterprise and someone said he made $20 million while we were fire and lost our health coverage. he became the opposite of what ronald reagan was to the reagan democrats. rightly or wrongly, the reagan democrats thought he understood them and had come from a family like theirs. he cared about them. it's okay to be rich. it's not okay to be the candidate of the rich, for the rich and by the rich and out of touch. >> there big moments and every campaign. romney's 47% remarks may be one of the biggest for him and still playing out. republicans chances for regaining the senate are diminishing day by day and todd akin is at the center of all of it. stay with us. we're sitting on a bunch of shale gas. there's natural gas under my town. it's a game changer. ♪ it means cleaner, cheaper american-made energy. but we've got to be careful how we get it. design the wells to be safe. thousands of jobs. use the most advanced technology to protect our water. billi
the obama people are smart with the bain ads. his only defense sibelieve in free enterprise and someone said he made $20 million while we were fire and lost our health coverage. he became the opposite of what ronald reagan was to the reagan democrats. rightly or wrongly, the reagan democrats thought he understood them and had come from a family like theirs. he cared about them. it's okay to be rich. it's not okay to be the candidate of the rich, for the rich and by the rich and out of touch....
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♪ >>> now, tomorrow is the first of three debates between myself and president obama. and i'm looking forward to having a serious conversation with my opponent about the issues. and as you may have heard, i've also prepared a few zingers for the occasion. for example, when we greet each other on stage before the debate, i'll put my finger on obama's tie and i'll say, hey, there's something on your tie. and then when he looks down, i'll slide my finger from his sternum right up to his nostrils and i'll say, boop. ha, ha, ha. ha, ha, ha, ha. i've also been working on some that's what she said zingers. for instance, when obama is talking during the debate, i'll just interrupt him and say, that's what she said? ha, ha, ha. gets them every time. ha, ha. now, last week my campaign leaked a memo telling everyone to lower their expectations for my performance in these debates because as we all know, barack obama is an extremely gifted speaker. he might even say he's a master debater. that's what she said? ha, ha, ha. zing. you got zing. you got zing. >> that's what she said? o
♪ >>> now, tomorrow is the first of three debates between myself and president obama. and i'm looking forward to having a serious conversation with my opponent about the issues. and as you may have heard, i've also prepared a few zingers for the occasion. for example, when we greet each other on stage before the debate, i'll put my finger on obama's tie and i'll say, hey, there's something on your tie. and then when he looks down, i'll slide my finger from his sternum right up to his...
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grandmother during the debate which said, quote, obama's gam even knew he was going to be bad. she died three days before he became president." the company has apologized and said it was sent in error. >>> mitt romney's wife ann will fill in on "good morning america" as co-host robin roberts recovers from a bone marrow transplant. >>> and the first lady was asked by popsugar.com who she'd like to see play her husband in a movie. she said she had two choices. either will smith or denzel washington. what do you think? who would you choose to play barack obama? you can tell me on twitter. go to @lynnberry or head to facebook.com. that is your morning dish of scrambled politics. >>> and now to wall street. the dow closinged at 13,575 after gaining 80 points yesterday. the s&p was up 10. the nasdaq add 14. taking a look at overseas trading this morning. in tokyo, the nikkei inched up 38 points. the hang seng climbed 104. the s&p is on the cusp of a five-year high. barring any surprises from september's job reports, it could hit that high today. experts predict about 115,000 jobs wer
grandmother during the debate which said, quote, obama's gam even knew he was going to be bad. she died three days before he became president." the company has apologized and said it was sent in error. >>> mitt romney's wife ann will fill in on "good morning america" as co-host robin roberts recovers from a bone marrow transplant. >>> and the first lady was asked by popsugar.com who she'd like to see play her husband in a movie. she said she had two choices....